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Two step
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:18:00 -
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I bet this will be a short thread... CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:02:00 -
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The names of *all* of the sessions came from CCP Xhagen, and he was the one that requested this session. It is perfectly permissible for the changes to be no changes at all, but we do need to discuss it. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:56:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Two step wrote:The names of *all* of the sessions came from CCP Xhagen, and he was the one that requested this session. It is perfectly permissible for the changes to be no changes at all, but we do need to discuss it. Ahh, sounds good, removed my last part then as it's irrelevant :) I'll get it started, then. Truthfully I'm not even sure there IS a problem. It's kind of strange to me that this CSM had the issue kickstarted, when it's probably one of the more diverse ones in history. I can't think of a single area of gameplay that isn't represented by at least one council member, save maybe Incursions. Hell, there was even one wormhole candidate whose name I can't recall for some reason who came in 2nd overall in voting, with a fairly comfortable lead over every voting bloc but one! Issler Dainze is also proof positive that even tiny candidates have a chance, and Darius III is proof that the barrier for entry to the council is so small, it's barely a raised curb. Without a few more CSM election's worth of data since CCP decided to actually listen to the CSM in the past few councils, it's really a stretch to say if there's a problem at all. The only way I could see a problem is if CCP has some kind of survey data or somesuch that says new players aren't voting because of the voting system. I have my doubts about that as well, since they'd have just changed it on their own, and rightly so since their data on the subject would best allow them to tailor the changes to the specified problem. Crowdsourcing it gives me the impression that no such data exists (in that it wasn't ever collected, not that it says different).
My main worry is that for less organized communities like w-space or FW, having multiple candidates could mean they wouldn't be able to get anyone on the CSM. I agree with you about CSM7, but my worry is more about the future. I'm not as worried as some about blocking too many nullsec candidates from making the CSM, but I would point you to CSM6 which was nearly all nullsec folks in the top 9. I think if you asked people who were on CSM6, we would have loved to have someone like Hans who knew something about FW on the council.
So my personal preference is to change to a voting system that doesn't penalize multiple candidates from the same community from running. Diversity of playstyles turns out to be really important on the CSM. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:44:00 -
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Scottish Play wrote:And if there are changes, do we learn about them immediately after the summit ... or do we get to hear about the changes in April, once they've already been made and it is too late to discuss and/or object to them?
No *decisions* will be made about any voting system changes without involving the community. In the end, it is CCP's decision to make, but without buy in from the community it would be a bad idea. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:18:00 -
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I don't run missions, but I do tend to be one of the folks that bugs CCP about PvE, both in highsec and nullsec. If the mission runners in the game had something specific to be unhappy about, they should organize themselves and get a rep onto the CSM. Have there even been any serious mission runner candidates? If there were, I didn't know about them. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:49:00 -
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Aryth wrote:As has been said many times before, and in other threads by myself. Voter participation is the issue. CCP needs to take major steps to better communicate the CSM elections, as well as make it easier to research than "read persons thread".
Organized player groups can tip the election because they are organized. So the only way you are going to see the system work properly is to lower the bar substantially for the average EVE player to participate.
Do you have any specific suggestions? Automatic EVE mail to all players? A better voting page with more descriptive text per candidate? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:41:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Two step wrote:Aryth wrote:As has been said many times before, and in other threads by myself. Voter participation is the issue. CCP needs to take major steps to better communicate the CSM elections, as well as make it easier to research than "read persons thread".
Organized player groups can tip the election because they are organized. So the only way you are going to see the system work properly is to lower the bar substantially for the average EVE player to participate. Do you have any specific suggestions? Automatic EVE mail to all players? A better voting page with more descriptive text per candidate? In-game popup with working hyperlinks would be a good start. Something that doesn't grab focus though. Perhaps code that autoaunches ingame browser and goes to the voting form. Rewards for voting, something tiny but just enough incentive to get them to vote. Quafe like.
There was some discussion of randomly handing out a PLEX for every 5K votes or something to a random voter. I liked that idea, not sure why it didn't happen. Perhaps it is time for the CCP art department to make an "Iteron IV 'I voted' edition" or something similar... CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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